A Meta Sanctuary: Discussing Viners Who Best Emulate the Concept of Civility, Without Recrimination

Sing their praises.

11 votes

#1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:37 AM EST

Meta article as meta sanctuary? I like it.

There's this one guy who is always civil. Name is Ian. From what I understand, he has the ability to stick cowboy boots in places colonoscopies dare not go, but chooses to refrain from such behavior on Newsvine. I like that, too.

17 votes

#1.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:44 AM EST

Thanks, but...stop that!

Name another.

9 votes

#1.2 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:06 AM EST

Proud Pagan

Without a doubt; Carloz and McSpocky are among my favorites.

Kind regards

17 votes

#1.3 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:42 AM EST

Thanks, but...stop that!

OK, ok. Put the boots away.

11 votes

#1.4 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:46 AM EST

Don Overton

Sir Richard Owen, Vlad's Dog, PWT

10 votes

#1.5 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:35 PM EST

AZPADDY

Carloz, js, McSpocky.

Top three. In that order.

11 votes

#1.6 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:58 PM EST

Dowser and Anna come to mind. I agree with all that have been mentioned already.

8 votes

#1.7 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:33 PM EST

Lkessler

I like Sir Richard... He always keeps things on the up and up.

And of course, I like BadFish... (whom I see down there at Post #3.) :D

8 votes

#1.8 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:14 AM EST

American DreamsDeleted

If you see viners listed here, and you disagree with their inclusion, keep your feelings to yourself. Rest assured the author of this article will delete comments he feels are negative--no matter how clever or subtle they might be.

American Dreams, thank you for mentioning Badfish, js and Anna.

6 votes

#1.10 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:26 AM EST

okay this is meant to be a HAPPY seed..got it..negative or disagreeing comments bad...Been spending way too much time reading the political seeds...they can be nasty, snarky and counter productive and it has affected my posting style. Guess I am not included on the civil list now...oh well "C'est la vie"

Add maddad to the list and the Desert Rattler. I know of several others I would include but I have not seen them commenting on the same seeds I have been on lately. I think I need to hunt them down and re-acquaint myself with them.

8 votes

#1.11 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:17 AM EST

Guess I am not included on the civil list now...

Nonsense, American Dreams. You are certainly included on the civil list and you are most welcome here. I was pretty certain you missed the part of my introduction that I quoted above. An honest mistake. No worries, whatsoever.

Thanks for coming back and including Desert Rattler. ;0)

7 votes

#1.12 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:42 AM EST

northern girl

I would like to add Robert in Ohio to the list. How he keeps his cool while dealing with some of the most ignorant among us, I dont know, but he has got to be one of the most level headed people around.

3 votes

#1.13 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:25 PM EST

merleliz

I would like to add Robert in Ohio to the list.

Ditto that in triplicate...he is the epitome of "a gentle answer turneth away wrath"...or however that goes. Even under extreme provocation, I have seen his friendly approach to civil discourse totally confound people who only know snark, sarcasm and personal attacks...it's amazing to watch.

3 votes

#1.14 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:58 PM EST

vol fan in chatt, tn

Well actually, I thought you did an admirable job on my seed...so I would have no problem giving you a vote. Life is more than politics...Friend request accepted - BTW, you REALLY got me when you mentioned the "plopping the Rio Grande into the sweet spot of a stream"....hook, line, and sinker!

2 votes

#1.15 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:58 PM EST

Fly Fishing...the one truly unifying experience on the planet. ;0)

2 votes

#1.16 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:20 AM EST

no backdoor nonsense

Ian, that's what she said. *giggles*

I'd like to say, V-dog [Vlad's Dog], KO [Kearney Outlaw], Belle42, PR [Physicist-Retired] <-- He was my first friend on the 'Vine, js, Al, Kavika, Enoch, Rock [you'd know him as ThereTheyGoAgain], Dowser.... I could go on with this list for a while.

There are many I'd call friends here, but some are prone to stir the @!$%# once in a while. Those that know me, likely know those of whom I speak. :) ♥

4 votes

#1.17 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:41 PM EST

Nevermind. NV glitch I guess.

3 votes

#1.18 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:48 PM EST

I try to be civil but I am not afraid to admit it, I do tend to be a pot stir'er at times. Or I should say my evil twin who occasionally break free of the mental duct tape holding her in a dusty corner of my mind, is to blame.

On occasion I think "the pot" need a good stir otherwise the seed gets too poloraized. Playing the devils' advocate from time to time can be educational as well as FUN! People forget there is common middle ground on most topics...even the hot button ones. (Exceptions are made on a case by case basis.)

3 votes

#1.19 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:19 PM EST

Daniel A. Hallo

Nice idea but not reality.

Being to PC only protects stupid people from being chastised and perpetuates their ignorance.

Truth is great and will prevail if left to herself. She is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless, by human interposition, disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate; errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them." --Thomas Jefferson: Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom, 1779

We know the tree by the fruit it bears not its name...How many good Viners have been kick out because they call a duck a duck and a White supremacist a white supremacist… Or a NeoNazi a NeoNazi? The internet provides more anonymity then any white hood on a dark night ever could.

"Truths necessary for our own character must not be suppressed out of tenderness to its calumniators." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1815. ME 14:291

5 votes

#1.20 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 8:49 AM EST

Rachael MM

Ian, this is a lovely idea. As a former 'Viner who got fed up with the incivility and deleted my account -- only to miss the intelligent debate with those are civil and recently rejoin -- this is a helpful way for me to re-build my "to read" list with smart and civil individuals.

Nice idea but not reality.

Being to PC only protects stupid people from being chastised and perpetuates their ignorance.

I don't think "civil" should be confused with "PC" or with witholding one's opinion. If you believe someone is really, really wrong, it's not uncivil, and it's perfectly PC, to say, "I believe you're very wrong, because XYZ."

7 votes

#1.21 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 3:48 PM EST

Daniel A. Hallo

Sounds reasonable. If only everyone we deat with were reasonable what a wonderful word it would be, it's just not the reality we live in.

6 votes

#1.22 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:33 PM EST

what a wonderful word it would be

If only everyone we deat with were reasonable what a wonderful word it would be, it's just not the reality we live in.

Hey, it could happen!

7 votes

#1.23 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 11:01 PM EST

Vlad's dog

There are so many, where does one start?

I would say in the political page Citzen Kane is a good voice there.

Plus we can't forget our guides, Rottlady, Viki, Luahal and Red wolf are always a help at keeping things civil.

Physicist-retired

Dowser

Etva

Mrs D

Rat Poison

Kearney Outlaw

are just a few I call friend.

And of course my newest freind Ian F Walter who I am very glad came here to add to the civility.

13 votes

#2 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:20 AM EST

Thanks, Vlad. I recognize several names there, but not all. I look very forward to checking them out. ;0)

8 votes

#2.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:57 PM EST

teresa-498430

Vlad's dog,

You forgot Vlad's dog now he is as civil as we ever come accross.

7 votes

#2.2 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:17 PM EST

I agree with Vlad's dog opinion about Rat Poison, Kearney Outlaw and Citzen Kane. They are among the most civil I have encountered. I would add Wolf Wolfman to the list and include belle42 for civil comic relief.

7 votes

#2.3 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:02 AM EST

The Author above me( Vlad's dog) always has civility in his Articles. We are very different in opinion at times but i never feel out of place posting on his articles.

12 votes

#3 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:29 AM EST

I agree.

6 votes

#3.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:07 PM EST

Thanks for doing this, Ian.

There's been far too much ugly lately, making this, at best, a tiresome Vine to participate much in.

10 votes

#4 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:39 AM EST

Happy to ombra. Part of my strategy is purely selfish. After a lengthy absence, I'm pleased to have others do my homework for me. As always, it is a pleasure to have you here. Anybody you want to add to the civil list?

9 votes

#4.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:52 PM EST

I can say that Dowser, Vlad's Dog, Physicist-retired, Jim Dent, Paul William Tenny and of course, Synthesis are all very highly recommended. I learn from all of them.

Most you already knew from before, Viki, Lauhal, Rottlady, Red Wolf.

9 votes

#4.2 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:06 PM EST

Dr KnowRestored

I have stopped coming for the most part. The combinations of the attacks and the prejudices of the staff monitoring...

8 votes

#5 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:51 AM EST

Dr Know,

I decided against deleting your comment, for the moment, but the remark about staff defeats the purpose. I hope you continue coming back. Please feel free to add a comment about any viners you appreciate for their civility. Let's stay positive.

11 votes

#5.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:18 PM EST

Viki Babbles Gonia

This is wonderful, Ian. I love it.

I have a big list, but three I've come to admire greatly in recent weeks are Truth Sleuth, merleliz, and RatPoison.

My reasons for admiring each are essentially the same. They are respectful to others, and incredibly intelligent. They look at all sides of an issue and give everyone the benefit of the doubt, and express their opinions without trying to knock anyone to the ground. They may use a little sarcasm or snark here and there, but it's not in a way that demeans anyone. They're thoughtful, and take the time and energy required to make thorough and thoughtful comments.

Each of these three users elevates the level of discourse on Newsvine wherever they go.

Actually, I'd have to include Ian Walter in that group, too, for the same reasons. And also for making a concerted effort to encourage people to respect each other even when they're angry and emotionally invested.

EDIT: Ian, I hope you don't mind that I've clipped this to Metavine and Newsvine Community.

10 votes

#6 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:54 AM EST

Viki,

I don't mind a bit. Thank you, maam.

I am getting lots of good names here. I admit part of my strategy was to build a list of viners to check out for the long haul.

10 votes

#6.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:49 PM EST

Viki Babbles Gonia

I'll definitely be mining this thread for new people to hang out with around here! This really was a great idea.

9 votes

#6.2 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:27 PM EST

I'll definitely be mining this thread for new people to hang out with around here! This really was a great idea.

Thanks, viki. As a moderator, I'm like the kid who is supposed to be cleaning his room and keeps finding cool comic books. Sidetracked! Everytime I start checking out another viner's page, I check the counter, see I have another comment here, and I'm saying...aw, man. Seriously? I'm reading here...

Lots of reading to do with this bunch, and lots of friend requests to send off. Oodles.

10 votes

#6.3 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:35 PM EST

merleliz

Thanks, Viki! (I'm blushing!)

It is an ill wind, as they say...I've discovered a lot of people on the Vine I never interacted with before who I have common interests with...my two main interests in life being dogs and horses, far more interesting than politics!

7 votes

#6.4 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:12 PM EST

Piletre

Here's five that first came to mind that I'm always comfortable reading anything they write because of their courtesy to others:

Enoch and Hiram.. A couple of the good guys.

jameseg has a strong belief system, but I have never seen him become hateful in any of his comments.

HydeWhyte is another who always treats others with respect.

Neetu M. hasn't been on the vine long, but from what I've read in her messages, she is simply a really nice person. I've never seen any hatefulness or disrespect in any of her comments.

11 votes

#7 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:59 AM EST

Thanks, Piletre. ;0)

7 votes

#7.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:46 PM EST

Neetu is very nice!

5 votes

#7.2 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:35 PM EST

oldfogey

Lauhal.

9 votes

#8 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:05 PM EST

Slam dunk. Lauhal is just lovely.

8 votes

#8.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:49 PM EST

All that have been mentioned above, (except me), are great examples! :-)

I'd like to add MoonCrow, Soovivers, js-445607, Super Saiyan... and gosh that's just in 2 minutes. I'll think on this and add some more! :-)

12 votes

#9 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:08 PM EST

Wow. I'm pedaling to new columns as fast as I can. This is doing wonders for my morale.

11 votes

#9.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:19 PM EST

Dowser, after that memorial tribute you did for Sydney-5, you've reached Vine Saintdom for me. You are the essence of what all Viners should strive for. ♥

8 votes

#9.2 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:38 PM EST

littlereddog, I really appreciate your kindness-- thank you so much!

6 votes

#9.3 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:22 PM EST

I don't believe I have encountered Dowser before or if I have it was a brief moment. Seeing how they are mentioned so often I need to visit their articles and get smarter.

6 votes

#9.4 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:09 AM EST

I'm not much on news, but more of interesting subjects-- no politics... :-)

If you need a break from the turmoil, you're welcome to come and visit! :-) Most of my best stores and articles are listed under headings in my recommendation section.

7 votes

#9.5 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:14 AM EST

Dowser,

Thanks for the invite. It would do me a world of good to "vacation" in a more reasonable Newsvine location for a while.

6 votes

#9.6 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:44 PM EST

Uh, above was not intended to self-promote-- I promise!

But, I would love to interact with you, American Dreams! :-) Take care!

4 votes

#9.7 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:20 PM EST

Dowser

I did not take it as a self-promotion thing by you. And I do hope no one else did. They only need to read the thread to see it wasn't. I do seriouusly need to find a group of Newsviners to hang out with that discuss other things besides politics, baiting each other and lobbing grenades at each other. This seed has offered many people I was not aware of to visit and see what they are talking about. What a better way to get smarter?

5 votes

#9.8 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:59 PM EST

Thanks! :-)

All who are mentioned here are wonderful people-- not just names on the screen... :-)

4 votes

#9.9 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:32 PM EST

Dowser,

Looks to me like that was just a pure, friendly invite from one viner to another to stop by and visit some time. You are hereby guilty of using fine manners. Terrible. 10 lashes with a rubber chicken!

8 votes

#9.10 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:26 AM EST

Thanks, Ian. I meant it that way, but then it dawned on me that it may be seen as self-promoting, and I didn't want to do that! Thanks!!!

Ouch! Those rubber chickens have sharp beaks! :-)

5 votes

#9.11 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:20 AM EST

Ian...

a rubber chicken? DUDE!!!! That's some harsh punishment !!! Besides - I thought rubber chickens were banned by the Geneva Convention. Surely 10 lashes of a wet noodle (Angel Hair Pasta not the Linguine type) would have been punishment enough for Dowser's egregious use of "fine manners".

5 votes

#9.12 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:15 AM EST

:-)

3 votes

#9.13 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:27 AM EST

Somebody call me?

8 votes

#9.14 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:27 AM EST

northern girl

I say you pelt her with chocolate Bon-Bons. I will then offer to stand in front of her and shield her from the incoming evil candy treats. I may have to destroy them by eating them, but I am willing to take one for the team.

6 votes

#9.15 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:32 AM EST

magz

I'mafoodieI'mafoodieI'mafoodie!

Wasabi!

5 votes

#9.16 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:50 AM EST

northern girl

Ok Magz, you can help me guard her.

5 votes

#9.17 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:03 PM EST

Surely 10 lashes of a wet noodle...

That's the first thought that popped into my head too! ☺

3 votes

#9.18 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:51 PM EST

Bonbons!!!! Can I eat what you drop? Please? Huh? Huh? Please?

I LOVE bonbons... :-)

3 votes

#9.19 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:28 PM EST

Shub Tnediserp Remrof

Are we talking about viners who have a ton of articles and seeds or are we talking in general?

if in general my choices are stated in above comments.

8 votes

#10 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:12 PM EST

or are we talking in general

Definitely talking in general. They needn't be prolific seeders or writers.

8 votes

#10.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:01 PM EST

Yourself, Ian, Robert from Ohio, Physicist-retired, Mrs D, Dare To Hope, etva, Dennis (a machine), bitemore, Dicky G, Enoch-2…, ish2dant, Marquis…, Vlad's dog, and a huge bunch of others.

13 votes

#11 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:16 PM EST

Thanks, bore-head.T

There's few slam dunks and personal favorites there and several other's I'm scrambling to check out. Man, this vine has some really, really neat people.

9 votes

#11.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:22 PM EST

I've invited many people to join us from the fisherys from around the country, and we have many. Some have been featured in Discovey Channel productions.

F/V EXCALIBUR was featured on Lobster Wars, and Capt Dave is the next to be on tv with the Nat Geo series Wicked Tuna.

Dicky G is another fisherman along with ish2dant, mighty jj, and a bunch of others.

All really interesting people!

10 votes

#11.2 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:08 PM EST

This used to be so easy. You could point to pretty much anyone and say 'that guy."

It's a little tougher now, but some Viners really stand out. Enoch, Dowser, Physicist-retired. Soph, who sadly inherited the title of most trolled Viner, but consistently exhibits grace under pressure. Lauhal, who is funny and sweet under any condition, even when it's alcohol induced. Synthesis, Isabella-37. Storyartist. That guy above me, who's name I really hope has something to do with engines, and isn't just a boneheaded misspelling of bonehead. (If it is, I don't want to know).

I'm sure there are a bunch more...but I'll have to think about it. The people that keep popping into my head are no longer around.

12 votes

#11.3 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:22 PM EST

Soph, who sadly inherited the title of most trolled Viner, but consistently exhibits grace under pressure.

Aw shucks:-) You are only saying that cause you make my nose tingle!

11 votes

#11.4 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:25 PM EST

This is it!

8 votes

#11.5 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:27 PM EST

OK, that's cool. I'm glad it was a mechanical thing, not a bonehead thing.

You are only saying that cause you make my nose tingle!

I could move down a little....

10 votes

#11.6 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:31 PM EST

I could move down a little....

Well you could try but the lower you go the higher the voltage. The tingle might just become a shock!

9 votes

#11.7 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:45 PM EST

I can guarantee that.

9 votes

#11.8 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:48 PM EST

Jj just said good on ya! He just pretended to type 'I am a man! LOLOLOL

7 votes

#11.9 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:51 PM EST

Oh yeah. Forgot about him.

Sorry dude.

8 votes

#11.10 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:55 PM EST

Oh yeah. Forgot about him.

Oh yeah. why didn't I think of that....uuhhmm...Nah!!!! LOL

7 votes

#11.11 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:57 PM EST

you two need a room?

5 votes

#11.12 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:03 PM EST

you two need a room?

Who? Jj and I? We are sitting in the Drawing Room right now. If we need another room I will let you know!;-)

7 votes

#11.13 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:08 PM EST

Having tea??

6 votes

#11.14 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:52 PM EST

@!$%# off. Far toooo much wine. Sarky bugger:-) LOLOLOLOL

8 votes

#11.15 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:55 PM EST

never tried Sarky bugger.

A red or a white?

And what do you draw in theDrawing Room? @!$%#ing off now! cheerio!

5 votes

#11.16 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:59 PM EST

Sarky bugger. A red or a white?

Gotta be...Australlian? Sorta sounds Yellow-Tailish...probably a cab.

5 votes

#11.17 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:03 PM EST

and what do you draw in the Drawing Room?

Draw?

8 votes

#11.18 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:12 PM EST

pppffttt you colonial minor cousins can never really appreciate the old world wines. But it is now just past midnight and i am withdrawing from the drawing room having drunk a shedload of Chateauneuf-du-Pape and going to crash with my brand new fiance :-) (asked and answered this evening!!!!!)

16 votes

#11.19 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:12 PM EST

Whoa!! Breaking !!!! Wonderful News!

Congratulations!

8 votes

#11.20 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:15 PM EST

Old world? Old? Old world?

Soph, you don't live in the old world. Middle aged, tops. Want the old world? Fly east for about five hours then knock on my door. I'll show it to you.

with my brand new fiance

Congratulations!

10 votes

#11.21 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:16 PM EST

Congratulations!

Yeah well the old @!$%#er is lucky to have me of course:-) LOL. Pretty cool evening over here

13 votes

#11.22 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:22 PM EST

jen-793050

Glad you are having a wonderful evening :)

6 votes

#11.23 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:08 PM EST

ERich-356044

Congrats Soph!!!

WooHoo!!!!

5 votes

#11.24 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:17 PM EST

Yeah well the old @!$%#er is lucky to have me of course

Well, there's the perfect example of two cultures being united by a common language instead of divided.

9 votes

#11.25 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:30 PM EST

Best wishes, Soph!

I was told it was not polite to tell the bride-to-be congratulations, you reserve that for the groom to be.

5 votes

#11.26 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:38 PM EST

Congrats to "Soph" and Jj!!! I'm so happy for you both! Cheers!

7 votes

#11.27 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:42 PM EST

Congrats to "Soph" and Jj!!! I'm so happy for you both! Cheers!

Not to long know and you will be sharing some fizz to celebrate!!!!

7 votes

#11.28 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:56 AM EST

Isabella-37

Thanks Dennis, but I really don't belong on that list, but it was nice of you to include me with some of the great people mentioned on this article. You were the first one who came to mind when I read the article.

Since many I would have named have already been mentioned, some who immediately come to mind who haven't been mentioned, but deserve to are bobby3053155, Squidward, IDFeb89, Maria-789794, nearing, Fada, Jack Orion, and Rodney-889389, all good people I've known for awhile. There are many more that deserve mentioning, but I don't want to be a page hog, so I hope someone mentions them too.

Oh, and congrats Soph. I hope you and your future husband enjoy a long life together filled with love and laughter.

9 votes

#11.29 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:58 AM EST

soph:

Hiya! Glad you're awake so I can congratulate you!

5 votes

#11.30 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:36 AM EST

mrsrachelm

That's wonderful Soph! I'm so very happy for you.

3 votes

#11.31 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:39 AM EST

Thanks Jack. Awake - sore head of course. But hell you don't get proposed to you on an average Saturday night! Worth a few drinks for sure:-)

6 votes

#11.32 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:40 AM EST

Congrats Soph, that's great news!! JJ is a lucky guy.

6 votes

#11.33 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:58 AM EST

JJ is a lucky guy.

To bloody right and I am never going to let him forget it! LOLOLOL!!!!!

6 votes

#11.34 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:00 PM EST

magz

i am withdrawing from the drawing room having drunk a shedload of Chateauneuf-du-Pape and going to crash with my brand new fiance :-)

Well if one has to do frenchy stuff with an intended, I suppose some vino from a fairly obscure appellation with great history would do nicely.

(sniff) I remember when you were a newbie and I wanted to hold you and protect you from the world...Give me his name and address so I know where to look for him should he break your heart. (sniff)

5 votes

#11.35 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:06 PM EST

Soph, that is absolutely wonderful news, and I'm very happy for you! You deserve happiness, and I know that the two of you will find it together! :-)

4 votes

#11.36 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:15 PM EST

(sniff) I remember when you were a newbie and I wanted to hold you and protect you from the world...Give me his name and address so I know where to look for him should he break your heart. (sniff)

You were the first person to ever leave me a comment on my column:-). He breaks my heart I expect you all to fly over en mass and break his balls. Don't think it is going to happen though. He makes me very happy:-)

8 votes

#11.37 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:15 PM EST

He breaks my heart I expect you all to fly over en mass and break his balls.

Right! And we'll all be damn civil as we do it! I have the script right here...

Jj...regretfully...Smurnch!...we have been left with no...Squish!...alternative...Urrrriiiippp!...but to correct your...Thunk!... unfortunate behavior. Please cease and...Kachunk!...desist. Regards...Stomp! Thank you for considering this urgent matter.

11 votes

#11.38 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:24 PM EST

T. Fargo

LOL! *Courtesy flush*

Where's the spray...

4 votes

#11.39 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:37 PM EST

mrsr and Dowser I somehow missed your comments. Thank you so much

Jj...regretfully...Smurnch!...we have been left with no...Squish!...alternative...Urrrriiiippp!...but to correct your...Thunk!... unfortunate behavior. Please cease and...Kachunk!...desist. Regards...Stomp! Thank you for considering this urgent matter.

Hehe - Jj just crossed his legs:-)

6 votes

#11.40 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:44 PM EST

Not to long know and you will be sharing some fizz to celebrate!!!!

It would be a pleasure and an honor to share in your celebration in anticipation of this happy event. I'm so delighted for the both of you. You've made my day! Good show, Jj!

And, is there a picture of some finger blingage that you may want to share with me? I need photos in my e mail box, young lady. (BTW: will be in GB May 8-16 - and in Switzerland in October, if you're so inclined)

4 votes

#11.41 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:52 PM EST

And, is there a picture of some finger blingage that you may want to share with me?

Not yet. I think he was rather not expecting to propose when he did:-) Pictures as and when of course!

May 8-16.....Good. Any idea of itinerary yet? We will try and fit in with you. I am having the idea of a vine meet while you are over. Of course that probably means you, me, Jj and and Jo! LOLOL. Sooooo fancy Switzerland. Have not been there in 20 years. If you are skiing I fancy killing some kids on the nursery slopes....I am not homicidal just terribly uncoordinated and a very enthusiastic but very bad skier!

6 votes

#11.42 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:02 PM EST

A vine meet would be awesome!

Skiing!? Hellz no! Too farking old for that and, from what you said, equally uncoordinated. I'd be happy to cheer you on from the chalet pub while you maul a few kids, though. ;) We are probably going to Paris after Geneva. There's a chunnel to get you there PDQ from London. That would be a blast! We haven't gotten the business part of our itinerary for GB yet. We'd love to come up to Yorkshire in the latter half of our trip. Never been to Scotland, either. We'll need to get some ideas from you.

Where is Jo?!?! No response from emails to her.

5 votes

#11.43 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:24 PM EST

Vlad's dog

I am so happy for you Soph.

3 votes

#11.44 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:24 PM EST

Where is Jo?!?! No response from emails to her.

Still in hospital:( No internet and her Mother is playing gate keeper. Soooo miss her. Should not be to much longer though. Hopefully!

I am so happy for you Soph.

Thanks love:-) It took a good long while but I think that finally Mr Right has arrived and this hit is the real deal...who would have thunk it!

4 votes

#11.45 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:35 PM EST

her Mother is playing gate keeper

Oh dear! Poor Jo! Please give her my best wishes if you get through the guard.

4 votes

#11.46 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:41 PM EST

Will do:-)

4 votes

#11.47 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:07 PM EST

euterpe-1641499

Congrats, Soph! Wish you and jj all the best.

3 votes

#11.48 - Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:33 PM EST

Miss_Diagnosed

Congrats Soph!

3 votes

#11.49 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:47 PM EST

Man, this vine has some really, really neat people.

We're some strange ones too Ian. ☺

4 votes

#11.50 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:57 PM EST

Shhhhhh...

He already knows me.

4 votes

#11.51 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:00 PM EST

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/427499_309937535734398_228697947191691_873704_1523761390_n.jpg

euterpe and Miss_Diagnosed - *big grins* Thank you:-)

3 votes

#11.52 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:30 PM EST

js-445607

I think this sign is great to put as an avatar so no one gets confused. I'd like it posted by my photo.

5 votes

#11.53 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:21 PM EST

if the sign fits use it

2 votes

#11.54 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:46 PM EST

Dowser, Enoch, Rank on Rank, ERich - all very different but great souls:-)

10 votes

#12 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:03 PM EST

jen-793050

I would like to add Steve Watts.

5 votes

#13 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:03 PM EST

Can't wait to delve into the logical fallacies articles. Thanks, jen.

5 votes

#13.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:09 PM EST

Viki Babbles Gonia

Steve Watts is a treasure.

5 votes

#13.2 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:27 PM EST

jen-793050

My first encounter with Steve was his Lost in the vines columns.

4 votes

#13.3 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:31 PM EST

Steve Watts is how I got here to the Vine.

3 votes

#13.4 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:39 PM EST

rottlady

Ian, what a great idea! I really couldn't list all the folks I think are an asset to Newsvine, they are many.

I do have to say, everyone that has commented on this article so far are some of the best!

7 votes

#14 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:11 PM EST

Not much surprise there, really. ;)

6 votes

#14.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:45 PM EST

Jonathan-1917156Deleted

You can take your civility and shove it up your...I mean, what a lovely idea for a meta article. ;-)

I agree with all those that have been mentioned so far, I would also like to throw Physicist Retired and Doc Phil's hat in the ring. And Grisham and Soph, there are a lot actually. NewsVine is nowhere near as bad as Meta can make it seem.

Great concept, Ian.

14 votes

#16 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:16 PM EST

there are a lot actually. NewsVine is nowhere near as bad as Meta can make it seem.

Wow. Is that ever true. I'm getting a whole new perspective. There are some fabulous viners out there. I'm really enjoying my cursory visits to their columns. Thanks, MWeaver.

8 votes

#16.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:41 PM EST

I would nominate MWeaver but there was this one time........oh never mind i like the puppy dog pictures. I nominate MWeaver anyways. I can disagree on Mweaver's articles and my point of view is respected respectfully.

9 votes

#16.2 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:45 PM EST

Joanna Caroll

You can take your civility and shove it up your...I mean, what a lovely idea for a meta article. ;-)

MWeaver, emulates the concept of civility...eventually :)

9 votes

#16.3 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:04 PM EST

haha. Thanks and yea, I've got a few of those "one times" under my belt.

9 votes

#16.4 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:13 PM EST

I was kidding of course......lol

8 votes

#16.5 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:19 PM EST

MWeaver's an ok dude...but he doesn't like cats. But he likes dogs, so he's ok. :)

7 votes

#16.6 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:40 PM EST

;-)

5 votes

#16.7 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:58 AM EST

Miss_Diagnosed

I second on Grisham... and MWeaver... and a lot of others that I'm sure I could think about if I tried

5 votes

#16.8 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:48 PM EST

lauhal

I'n not going to write a list, because I'll leave someone out...and the list is too long. Good users outweigh jerks by a large margin. There are a ton of folks who make an effort to be polite, calm things down, get threads back on track, help new users, etc. I could nominate nearly everyone on my Friend list, which I recently pruned. :) Congratulations to every single person who does his/her part to make Newsvine a better place!

Great idea, Ian. Nice gesture to highlight the good. :)

14 votes

#17 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:21 PM EST

Great idea, Ian. Nice gesture to highlight the good. :)

Lauhal

See how easy it is?

7 votes

#17.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:54 PM EST

If you see viners listed here, and you disagree with their inclusion, keep your feelings to yourself. Rest assured the author of this article will delete comments he feels are negative--no matter how clever or subtle they might be.

jonathan-1917156, you didn't cite which people included above use the back door method of insults, or which ones you put on ignore. I appreciate that. However, except for the humorous part about yourself at the end, you focused on the negative. I said not to do that. So, regretfully, your comment is deleted.

Please feel free to add another comment, point out the civil folks, and why you feel that way.

10 votes

#18 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:21 PM EST

Jonathan-1917156

whatever.

detracking then,

1 vote

#18.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:25 PM EST

Have a good day, bro. I mean that.

8 votes

#18.2 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:28 PM EST

So, regretfully, your comment is deleted.

That's the nicest way I've ever seen that done. You are now my most favoritely super-nice viner.

12 votes

#18.3 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:33 PM EST

You are now my most favoritely super-nice viner.

Ikes. Stop that. There aint no way I'm gonna live up to that, shannoscubie. No way. I'm too much a ruffian. A jackass even. Ask anybody. It's...well, it's the article. It's sanctuary. It's...time for a break from super-not nice. That's all. Don't push that super-nice stuff, or I'll start groping all the broads and I'll pick a fight with...a litter of puppies. I'll get drunk and pee in your hat box. I...uh...really did that once. Not yours, of course...but...

I'm rugged, dammit! And sorta nice.

12 votes

#18.4 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:53 PM EST

mrsrachelm

Ian, that was handled very well. Wow.

8 votes

#18.5 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:16 PM EST

Ikes. Stop that.

Don't worry. You might not be familiar enough with me to realize that I'm not setting the bar very high.

9 votes

#18.6 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:45 PM EST

Lkessler

I'd like to give a nod to the two ladies up here--MrsRachelM and Shannoscubie, both of whom keep their articles above-board. Oh, and Dowser, Global777, and there are others, and y'all know who you are!

Ok, I hope I didn't miss anyone (although I didn't name too many!) because, well, it's too early! :D

6 votes

#18.7 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:17 AM EST

Global777

Thank you, Beautiful!

4 votes

#18.8 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:48 PM EST

mrsrachelm

Thank you Lkessler. Totally unexpected.

2 votes

#18.9 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:42 PM EST

SW Missouri Mule

Neale Osborne and Citizen Kane are my favorites for civility but there are plenty more I admire who have already been named.

9 votes

#19 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:00 PM EST

Thanks, Mule.

6 votes

#19.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:49 PM EST

teresa-498430

Carloz for sure.

8 votes

#20 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:04 PM EST

Carloz is mentioned often.

8 votes

#20.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:46 PM EST

teresa-498430

He is a rational and thoughtful viner. I admire his drive.

7 votes

#20.2 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:49 PM EST

The temptation is to post a list of twenty or thirty gracious, kind, and wonderful people - which I could easily do. However, I don't think that's really what you're looking for.

The ones who clearly stand above the rest, in my mind, are Enoch, Grisham, Physicist-retired, Carloz, and you.

I didn't post much until recently, but I've been reading and commenting on rare occasions since, probably, early 2008 (different ID), and there are some truly wonderful people here. And some stinkers, true, but lots of good people.

Thanks so much for doing this, Ian. It's so easy to get focused on the acrimony, nastiness, and general unpleasantness that we lose sight of the good stuff.

8 votes

#21 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:55 PM EST

Arnold, Your presence here is most welcome. You belong in this group.

The ones who clearly stand above the rest, in my mind, are Enoch, Grisham, Physicist-retired, Carloz

Lots of mentions of those folks rolling in. I'm like a kid in a candy store. All these viners to check out, all those columns, and I'm way behind on the friends I already have. This is just splendid.

and you.

Yeesh. I don't want to let you down, my friend. I can be civil...and I know I'm no bully...but I can be downright rough. My temper is sorta legendary. I don't think I belong in that group. But I sure appreciate the thought and I sure appreciate you.

9 votes

#21.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:13 PM EST

My temper is sorta legendary.

No! Say it isn't true!

12 votes

#21.2 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:18 PM EST

sshhhh. I'm trying, Ringo. I'm trying real hard to be the shepherd.

8 votes

#21.3 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:22 PM EST

I don't want to let you down, my friend. I can be civil...and I know I'm no bully...but I can be downright rough. My temper is sorta legendary. I don't think I belong in that group.

Maybe I just haven't been exposed to that side of you. What I have seen is an intelligent, even-tempered person who has successfully defused some very volatile situations without sounding condescending or officious. And that's not easy to do.

I'll take your word for it that you lose your temper at times. Big deal. None of us always behaves in accordance with our highest ideals. (Ignore the Irishman in the corner, there. He's just trying to stir something up.)

Good heart, keen mind, good intentions. That's plenty; I'm good with that.

8 votes

#21.4 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:01 PM EST

Ignore the Irishman in the corner, there.

Like that's even remotely possible...

He's just trying to stir something up.

LoL. Lovable, ain't he? In fairness, the Irishman in the corner taught me more about the meaning of civility at Newsvine than anyone else. But don't tell him that, Arnold. Cause he'll like it too much. And...um...if you sorta get the feeling that lightning is fixing to strike? Let's move away from him, real quick like.

You, Arnold, are just plain decent and solid and kind. Therefore, I can at least assure you that by the example of folks like yourself, I will aspire to listen to the better angels of my nature.

8 votes

#21.5 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:20 PM EST

That thing about lightning never striking in the same place twice? Don't believe it.

Good heart, keen mind, good intentions. That's plenty; I'm good with that.

Yeah, that's Ian.

(just don't piss him off)

10 votes

#21.6 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:56 PM EST

We each develop an online persona that resembles who we are in real life to a greater or lesser extent. It has, of course, become a truism that you can be anyone you want to be online.

I am a better person because of “Arnold_Clapsaddle.” He responds respectfully, intelligently, and helpfully in situations where my flesh-and-blood self would probably be kind of cranky or dismissive. He is in a sense the better person I aspire to be. (Although Enoch is the gold standard for role models, in my estimation.)

My point, such as it is, is that Newsvine’s “Ian F Walter” is capable of things that his flesh-and-blood analog might find difficult. You have already shown yourself capable of great goodness, and perhaps even moments of actual greatness.

5 votes

#21.7 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:56 PM EST

I think I’m going to write an article on this subject – the online persona vs. the flesh-and-blood analog. I might even be able to make it interesting to other people. Many years ago, I was a good writer (honest!), but long years of turgid business reports have had a bad effect. Kind of like an ex-college football player gone to seed. With luck, maybe I can recapture some of that long-ago sparkle.

I’ll be in Kansas City all next week, entombed in conference rooms, no doubt, and then there’s a trip to New Mexico the week after that, so, realistically, the article is not likely to appear before mid-March. I’ll do what I can, and I’ll try to make it worth the wait.

5 votes

#21.8 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:14 PM EST

Newsvine’s “Ian F Walter” is capable of things that his flesh-and-blood analog might find difficult.

Not so much, Arnold. What you see is pretty much what you get no matter which realm I'm in. It's to my benefit and detriment, I suppose. But I get your meaning. And it's an interesting question. Perplexing. Worth thinking about.

I could no more be brutal to an innocent person in this forum than in real life. And it might be a little easier to walk away from trouble here, cause...well, it's not really a place is it? But I have a hard time getting away from the feeling that there's always a human on the other side. I'm me and they're somebody. They might be phony, or playing a part, or whatever. So what? It's still us, aint it?

I wish my avatar was better looking, though.

6 votes

#21.9 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:15 PM EST

I think I’m going to write an article on this subject – the online persona vs. the flesh-and-blood analog.

That's a great idea. I'm fascinated by the subject.

6 votes

#21.10 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:17 PM EST

the online persona vs. the flesh-and-blood analog.

There's a difference? Crap. I think I missed another memo.

9 votes

#21.11 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:22 PM EST

Actually, Dennis, I was thinking about you, along with some other Viners who don't seem to use alter egos.

Most of us have screen names and online personas. I suppose it's remotely possible that Tappy McWidestance and spiffie and Enoch are actual, real-world persons, with those names on their drivers licenses and all, but it doesn't seem likely. You, however, along with Paul William Tenny, Ian F Walter, Mike Snyder, and others, operate without an alter ego. Your experiences will necessarily be different because of that.

There is an integrity which I admire in the people who log in as themselves, with no alter ego. It also worries me, though, for reasons which have recently been made all too obvious.

9 votes

#21.12 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:01 PM EST

When I signed on, I came from MSNBC, and I was afraid I'd be snarked, if everyone immediately knew I was a woman. I'm a hydrogeologist, so using a screen name of Dowser just seemed to fit and be more gender neutral.

but pretty much, WYSIWYG. :-)

10 votes

#21.13 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:07 PM EST

It also worries me, though, for reasons which have recently been made all too obvious.

I'm pretty safe, Arnold. Worry not. I'm armed to the teeth, I have really comforting official friends scattered nearby and across the planet, and I know one of the best computers guys ever. And I'm sorta lucky, too. Which counts. Plus, I have an attack squirrel in the tree outside. He doesn't play nice. So...being me isn't much more of a concern than...well, just being me.

7 votes

#21.14 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:11 PM EST

And I'm just as safe as I want to be. No more, no less.

I have a paintbrush.

11 votes

#21.15 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:14 PM EST

I have a paintbrush.

and that conjure lightning spell.

7 votes

#21.16 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:30 PM EST

Yeah. But I know how to use the paintbrush.

9 votes

#21.17 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:01 AM EST

bonos_rama

I say Dennis, for always remaining calm and levelheaded amidst a storm. Also, McSpocky, for dealing well with trolls, ERich for being so sweet, Paul William Tenny, and oh, wow. Too many to list.

12 votes

#21.18 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:57 PM EST

Thanks, bonos rama.

I say Dennis,

I would, too. A master of civility.

for always remaining calm and levelheaded amidst a storm.

Lol. Sure. And why wouldn't he? A lightning rod, by design, absorbs and grounds the charge. The rest of us, however, seem to end up with crackled asses and smoking hairdo's. By the way, Ahab remained calm and levelheaded during a storm. Just sayin'.

Sorry, the satirist in me never sleeps. All kidding aside, Dennis McCann has waded through a lot and he remains, in my opinion, as civil as they come. I love that guy and I deeply respect his civility.

And at the risk of comparing apples and oranges, or cats and dogs, or oil and water, I think it's an appropriate moment to at least offer an honorable mention to none other than Jack Gillis. Of late, at least, he has been extremely instrumental in calming some of those storms. And we needed them calmed.

So, uh...Dennis and Jack. Hats off to both of you. Thanks.

Okay...no napalm or artillery strikes, folks. I am currently hovering over that cute little trashcan icon and I am ready to @!$%#ing pounce. No, I am not kidding.

Mostly. ;0)

11 votes

#21.19 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:22 PM EST

I am currently hovering over that cute little trashcan icon and I am ready to @!$%#ing pounce. No, I am not kidding.

Heh. See? That's nice enough for me.

7 votes

#21.20 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:34 PM EST

I'm sorry...Shannoscubie? Did you say something?

I was hiding in my attic. Er...I mean...I was looking for my old tough guy rodeo gear, which is behind the gun safe, protected by the bodyguard, behind the steel door, on the other side of the fireplace mantle, where I display all my kung fu trophies.

6 votes

#21.21 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:02 PM EST

Didya look under the ballerina outfit?

5 votes

#21.22 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:06 PM EST

Shoot, Ian. You don't need to mess with all that other business so long as you've got a cowboy hat.

6 votes

#21.23 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:16 PM EST

Didya look under the ballerina outfit?

Well...yeahhhh. I found the Precious Moments figurines and the short pants...but no rodeo gear. Maybe I left it out in the garage, by the motor scooter.

7 votes

#21.24 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:16 PM EST

so long as you've got a cowboy hat.

Three, actually. Two are in horrible, awful shape. The third is a goner.

5 votes

#21.25 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:24 PM EST

merleliz

I think it's an appropriate moment to at least offer an honorable mention to none other than Jack Gillis.

I was thinking a gold star...but that's just me.

Two are in horrible, awful shape.

Shows you've used them...at least, that's what I tell people about mine when they comment on the shape it's in.

Someday I'll have to look up an old post I read on another forum about the sartorial differences between riding disciplines...it's so true it's hysterical!

4 votes

#21.26 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:35 PM EST

Ian:

Thanks! But ....

When I roll up my sleeves and loosen my tie elsewhere, be careful (that is, if I wore ties, which I don't, or shirts with sleeves).

5 votes

#21.27 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:55 PM EST

When I roll up my sleeves and loosen my tie elsewhere, be careful

If you're threatening me with a Jack Gillis strip-o-gram, I'm already suitably terrified of the prospect. I won't be careful, Jack. I'll be exiting.

9 votes

#21.28 - Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:40 AM EST

oops. Wrong spot.

6 votes

#22 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:20 PM EST

lauhal

That's what she said. :0

10 votes

#22.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:07 PM EST

She loves me when I'm right but she adores me when I'm wrong.

Ahem...Hey, Everyone!?! lauhal's getting liquored up and being bad! Again!

9 votes

#22.2 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:24 PM EST

Again? You mean she stopped?

I musta missed that.... :P

6 votes

#22.3 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:29 PM EST

It was a Thursday. Forgot which one.

9 votes

#22.4 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:33 PM EST

js-445607

Many of the finest have been mentioned above so I'll try to add a few of my "other" favorites. I am very partial to Kavika, MightyJ, Fighting For Rights, HydeWhyte, JM California, Cobaltblue, oldtincan, John Galt, Keith DSM, RhondaRebecca, Tony Williams and a slew of others. I think these and many many others are a delight to communicate with on the vine, are continually respectful and have a sense of humor to offset any angst that comes along.

I believe Newsvine is heavily laden with the best teachers and the finest members. We are very fortunate to have this site where we can get together, learn and teach each other.

I will add of course all of the Newsvine monitors and staff. Another good fortune for all.

Thank you Ian, you would be included indeed and I think Kudos are sometimes rare on meta articles and this one is a joy.

10 votes

#23 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:54 PM EST

js-445607,

Thank you for that lengthy list. I look forward to trudging off to all those columns to check out all those fine folks. I am very pleased to have so many names that I'm unfamiliar with. I feel like I've dropped out of the blue into an antique mall, with stores as far as the eye can see. This article has really been a joy, all the way around.

8 votes

#23.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:12 PM EST

lauhal

This is a very nice effort. I can tell people really appreciate it, as do I. It's healing.

11 votes

#23.2 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:22 PM EST

It's healing.

That makes my heart good. lauhal. Thank you.

10 votes

#23.3 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:27 PM EST

js-445607

The highlight of this article for me is seeing names I haven't encountered. So, thank you again Ian, I have a bigger list of Newsvine members to check out. This is like a little gift out of the blue and maybe some will be blue for me in the future.

9 votes

#23.4 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:43 AM EST

Ian:

lisaed is a charmer and soph is a softie.

But everyone who's interesting, no matter how normally sweet, has a button somewhere you can push to get a snarl.

8 votes

#24 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:11 PM EST

Jack,

A pleasure to have you here, sir. And I mean exactly that.

But everyone who's interesting, no matter how normally sweet, has a button somewhere you can push to get a snarl.

Heh. All too true. But not on this this particular article. Makes it kinda nice, don't it?

I don't know if you caught it, Jack...Soph had a little announcement up yonder in comment 11.19. I'd quote it, but that would take the fun out of it. It's a gem.

Thanks for the visit and the mention of lisaed and soph.

9 votes

#24.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:19 PM EST

Ian:

Soph had a little announcement

Which one? That she was drunk or that she was getting married? Or both?

She seems to have toddled off, so I'll congratulate her the next time she's sob--, er, the next time I see her on a thread.

Nobody mentioned spiffie? He's nifty.

9 votes

#24.2 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:56 PM EST

Nobody mentioned spiffie? He's nifty.

Egads. That's a huge omission. Jack, that's why we keep you on the payroll. All hail Spiffie!

8 votes

#24.3 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:21 PM EST

Don't forget Wheel too..

6 votes

#24.4 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:30 PM EST

Don't forget Wheel too..

Oof. Our work here aint done.

7 votes

#24.5 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:35 PM EST

ombra:

Wheel? Better not let him hear you call him civil or he's liable to get ... mighty uncivil.

:^{)>

6 votes

#24.6 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:45 PM EST

Global777

JM California, jfxgillis, merleliz, RatPoison, and Sir Richard Owen, are just a few "Who Best Emulate the Concept of Civility." Oh, and of course, Miss Viki!

Thank you for the article, Ian...

8 votes

#25 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:13 PM EST

Global....

Seriously? You showed up here? I'm gonna say this real, real slow. And I'm gonna say it nice. And I mean every last word...

You are very damn welcome here. I am glad you stopped by. Put your feet up by the campfire and enjoy.

And there it is. It's official. Ladies and gentleman...

Welcome to @!$%#ing Switzerland!

17 votes

#25.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:33 PM EST

Ah, that's better. My damn profanity filter keeps turning itself on. Really weird.

I knew something was wrong, though, because there's just no way you'd type $#%$#&# Switzerland.

11 votes

#25.2 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:11 PM EST

there's just no way you'd type $#%$#&# Switzerland.

Well, some of the Swiss towns do have strange names....

6 votes

#25.3 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:14 PM EST

Not as bad as Wales, though.

One word. 44 letters. One vowel.

10 votes

#25.4 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:24 PM EST

Global777

Ian...

Seriously! I showed up here. Thank you for the kind and real, real slow, welcome. :-)

Word on the street, was that this add the makings of the Social Event of the Week!

Why wouldn't I show up? Civility is a word that I hold in high regard, along with a few other Words of Virtue. Recent differences aside, I suspect that we embrace much of the same qualities in others.

I'm not such a bad guy, once you grow to dislike me.

As one who was raised by the son of a Switzerland native, I feel right at home already. Is that cheese, I smell?

Happy, and honored, to be on board!

P.S. Add your name to my list...

6 votes

#25.5 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:24 PM EST

Not as bad as Wales, though.

One word. 44 letters. One vowel.

I lived in Wales a few times. Once, my home address was on a street name I couldn't pronounce. Fortunately, that never led to my having to sleep in a park.

9 votes

#25.6 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:02 PM EST

Once, my home address was on a street name I couldn't pronounce

I know the feeling.

Fortunately, that never led to my having to sleep in a park.

lol.

9 votes

#25.7 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:15 PM EST

Grisham

There are some extremely fine Viners mentioned in this thread. And what a great idea, Ian!

I'd like to add a few that haven't been mentioned (that I saw anyhow):

-rescue dogs62 - Great lady.

-Piletre - Never seen her say a bad word to anyone.

-Proud Pagan - Awesome debater but very civil about it.

-Big Cat-4416462 - New to the Vine but always civil and always leaves great comments.

-Dare To Hope - Glad I met this one.

-Hiram-1381633 - the guy is deeply religious and yet went head to head with me in a religious debate. How many could do that without any rancor whatsoever? Great guy.

-etva - The picture Goddess.

There are so many. The Vine has lots and lots of very cool, intelligent and kind people. It would be impossible to list them all. Enoch and Dowser are two mentioned above who are practically saint-like. LOL.

Great thread and thanks for putting it together, Ian!

9 votes

#26 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:04 PM EST

Enoch and Dowser are two mentioned above who are practically saint-like.

"Practically"? "Practically"?

I managed to omit Dowser from my list of five, somehow. I hereby rectify that error, with apologies.

Of course, my list of five now has six. I'll have to figure out what to do about that. For now, just pick any five of the six. You can't go wrong, I promise.

6 votes

#26.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:25 PM EST

Wow. Just. meta-wow. Look at all the names on these comments.

Thanks, Grisham. For the descriptions and the links. Drat. I should have asked for that in the body of the work. I can't wait to navigate these names. After all these years...I finally feel like I achieved my dream gig...research librarian.

;0)

7 votes

#26.2 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:27 PM EST

I am NOT saintly. I once told a fellow that I hoped the Bluebird of Happiness flew up his nose as it would reach his brain more quickly that way...

He had truly annoyed me.

However, for everyone but me, I agree wholeheartedly! And I am including you, too, Arnold, and Ian, too!

8 votes

#26.3 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:28 PM EST

I am NOT saintly. I once told a fellow that I hoped the Bluebird of Happiness flew up his nose as it would reach his brain more quickly that way...

Well, rumor has it that even St. Francis wished that on a fellow...

.... And the bird listened!

10 votes

#26.4 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:35 PM EST

St. Francis would have been able to calm him with a gentle nudge, and I wanted to thwock him... That is the unsaintly part. :-)

9 votes

#26.5 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:46 PM EST

I am NOT saintly. I once told a fellow that I hoped the Bluebird of Happiness flew up his nose as it would reach his brain more quickly that way...

LOL even when you are trying to be rude you are soooo sweet:-)

6 votes

#26.6 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:51 AM EST

Well, like all of us here, I get irked with people. But, what is, is... Every body bases their beliefs on their own experiences. Sometimes, its hard to understand why they feel the way they do, but usually, there are reasons for it. We just don't know those reasons here on the Vine, because we're dealing with a name-- not a person.

I love you, dear Soph-- you are such a wonderful person, and you work so very hard to provide thoughtful discourse here on the vine. We would definitely be worse off if you weren't around!

4 votes

#26.7 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:18 PM EST