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Satire: What Bull Riders and Bull Dykes Have In Common

Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:45 PM EST
not-news, humor, satire, opinion, lgbt
By Ian F Walter
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This is a re-publish of an story I put on Newsvine a few years ago...

 

Back in my early college days I participated in two clubs that didn’t have a whole lot in common with each other: theatre club and the rodeo team. But I found my best friends in both places. My best bull riding buddies included Pancake (so named because he always managed to land flat on his back after getting bucked off), Knuckles (his name explains itself, perfectly), and Harlot (so popular with other cowboys wives and girlfriends that he never dared go anywhere without Knuckles by his side). My best bull dyke buddies (as they called themselves) from theatre were Duke (so-named because of her prowess with women), Muffin (I was always afraid to ask), and Drake (who attributed the nickname to her two alter-egos, one being a dragon and the other being a male duck--which struck me as a curious combination). Anyway, while members of both groups seemed to like having me around, they were pretty damn sure I had no business associating with the other.

It sure made for interesting group dynamics around the lunch table in the cafeteria hall. One day I might be sitting with Pancake, Knuckles, and Harlot, telling them about how my latest bull stomped me silly--but only after he was completely dominated for all of 3.2 seconds--and they would be enthralled by my heroic self-portrayal. I would be smack-dab in the middle of my story when, sure enough, Duke would stop by the table and ask me if I was participating in the method-acting workshop over at the theatre later that afternoon. After she left I would turn around and be greeted with nothing but crinkled noses and ruffled Stetsons. Harlot and Knuckles could always be counted on to offer a few thoughtful insights about certain products on the market that could be purchased to…uh…enhance certain biological aspects that Duke might be lacking. Sometimes Knuckles would offer some gem like, “Your little theatre friends outta go back to San Francisco, where they belong.” Pancake would usually just grunt and shake his head back and forth, disgusted by it all. (He did use the word “icky” once but Knuckles popped him so hard on the ear with a spoon that he swore off the use of that unfortunate word forever). But all of the boys agreed that my conversations with Duke and her friends could only mean one thing…my manhood was suspect. Deeply suspect. I managed to maintain my cowboy credibility only because I drank a lot of beer and barfed regularly.

Anyway, back to the cafeteria scene…

The next day I might be sitting with Duke, Muffin and Drake while listening to them talk about how so-and-so was way too ugly to play Ophelia, or about how hilarious it was when I accidentally fell off the stage during a deep-breathing exercise. Sure enough, one of my bull riding buddies--usually, Harlot--would come sauntering up and ask if I heard about so-and-so getting hung up on a bull named Rancid Mayonnaise (no, I’m not kidding) and about how the guy’s was arm broken in three places and his two front teeth were now pointing sideways. After we laughed about the guy’s fate (we were a callous bunch), he would wander off and I would turn back to the table and be greeted with a smattering of hard stares and furrowed foreheads. Muffin liked to give me lectures about animal rights, patriarchal society and chewing tobacco. Duke repeatedly told me that she wanted to fight every guy on the rodeo team and steal their girlfriends--present company always excluded, of course. Drake would fold her arms across her chest and snap her gum. Occasionally one of them would say something like, “Your little cowboy friends outta go back to Texas where they belong, honey, where humping sheep is still legal.” (I admit I never confirmed whether Texas really allows such activities, but my guess is they frown on it.) Nevertheless, The girls were always good to me, and I to them, but I could always tell they were wary of me. After all, I did hang out with the rough-stock rodeo rabble.

So there I was--trapped between the warring fan bases of The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly and The Rocky Horror Picture Show. My repeated attempts to point out the finer qualities of either side would always fall on deaf ears at best, and would more often result in an argument about how those creepy/strange/ignorant/sick friends of mine on the other side were exactly what was wrong with this country. Eventually both clans got the message that ugly comments about my other friends were not well received. So they just compromised by pressing the ignore button every time they got near each other. I stopped asking for more than that.

But fate wouldn’t let this arrangement stand. Not for long. It decided to force the issue late one Friday night when me and the boys (Harlot, Pancake, and Knuckles) were headed for the local watering hole (The Red Rooster) to stir up some entertainment. We were jammed into the cab of Harlot’s beat up old ford pickup when the bailing wire he used to hold his transmission together gave out for the umpteenth time and we lurched to a sudden sideways stop, spraying Coors beer everywhere. In the commotion Pancake’s brand new Resistol cowboy hat got pitched out the passenger window and was run over by no fewer than three cars and one semi-truck (an atrocity which Pancake never has gotten over). We were smack dab in the middle of the center lane of a busy multi-lane roadway several miles short of our chosen destination. Harlot managed to get the transmission into neutral, but we were in a bad spot and would have to have to push the truck several hundred yards down the road to get it safely into a parking lot. There was an empty lot nearby but it was separated from the road by a mountainous curb. One look at the truck and one look at us and it was clear that we stood exactly zero chance of muscling it up and over the Mount Saint Curb. We stepped out of the road to collect ourselves and to let Pancake have a few moments to grieve over the remnants of his hat, which he had managed to valiantly reclaim from the busy roadway. Eventually, we decided the best thing to do was to stand there and get indignant and start insulting each other. We insulted Harlot’s mechanical skills, his truck, his romantic escapades, his tassled boots and his mother. Then we moved on to insulting Pancake’s hat, as if it hadn’t suffered enough for one evening. When the insults finally ran out of steam, we were surprised to discover that our many insults hadn’t resolved our broken-ass-truck-in-the-middle-of-the-road-problem. Fancy that.

And then it happened. A vintage, midnight blue Gran Torino rumbled up behind Harlot’s pickup. Figures could be seen talking in the car. They looked animated, like they were arguing. Then the passenger side window rolled down and I was looking at Drake. She didn’t look happy. Duke was in the driver’s seat beside her. Muffin was in the backseat. Her arms were crossed and her nose was crinkled. Drake called out, “You need help, Walt?” It didn’t sound like a communal offer. I looked at Harlot. He said, “I guess you can ask them if they’ll follow behind us with their hazard lights on while we push the truck down to that parking lot down the way.” I walked over and leaned on the driver’s side window and talked to Duke. I passed on Harlot’s request. She looked down the road, then at the truck, then at Mount Saint Curb. She said, “No way. That’s too far. Let’s just push it over that curb.”

Five minutes later, four bull riders and three bull dykes were standing by the side of the road laughing their asses off. How we managed to jump Harlot’s truck over that massive curb is still something of a mystery to me, but let’s just say that both groups must have felt like they had something to prove to the other. It was no small feat. The resulting mutual goodwill was sufficient for me and the boys to garner ourselves a ride down to the Red Rooster. (We were young--worrying about the truck or getting home was not at the top of our minds) All seven of us piled into the Torino. Because of my good standing with the bull dykes, I got to sit in the front seat. Drake insisted I sit “bitch” (in the middle), an irony which she seemed to enjoy immensely. There wasn’t much conversation for the next several miles. It dawned on me that everybody else in the car was probably experiencing the tight-packed journey as their worst possible nightmare. For me, it was magic. All of my folk together in one spot…if only for a moment. Before long, Duke pulled the Torino into the parking lot of the Red Rooster and me and the rodeo boys piled out. While they waited for me, I thanked Duke and the others for their help. I told Duke I owed her lunch on Monday. She argued for Tuesday, too. We laughed and then I joined the guys and we started for the door.

That would have been a pretty good ending right there. But it got better. Harlot suddenly stopped, whipped around and yelled for Duke to wait. He jogged back toward their car like a man on a mission. We followed him. Duke rolled down her window and Harlot offered his hand. Duke took it. “I sure would like to buy you and your friends a drink for the help,” Harlot said. Duke looked kind of startled. She scanned the parking lot full of pickups and the big neon sign of a Rooster wearing six-shooters and a cowboy hat. She said, “Thanks. But I don’t think this is our kind of place.” Harlot smiled back at her. “You won’t have no problem in here,” Said Harlot. “I guarantee you that.” His voice offered little doubt as to what he meant. Any trouble encountered by one would be met by all. He looked at Pancake and Knuckles. Both nodded their vigorous agreement. My pride in my boys swelled. Duke glanced at me. Then she said, “Sure.”

Every now and again I get accused of having Utopian views about people. I get told that most people can’t get along with each other, nor do they really want to. But all I really have to do is think back to the college cafeteria in the ensuing months after that first Friday night at the Red Rooster. It was a whole different kind of lunch scene, that’s for sure. Especially if you sat near the big raucous table over in the far corner--the one where all the bull riders and the bull dykes hung out together.

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Ian F WalterRestored

Been a while since I done this, so here goes...uh...mind your COH. Have fun. No homophobic rants please, or I'll pop you in the ear with a spoon.

It's a re-publish from a few years back, but it's one of my favorites. I couldn't resist.

  • 7 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:46 PM EST
belle42

...they like the feeling of rawhide between their legs?

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:48 PM EST
Ian F WalterRestored

...rawhide wrapped around rough, darlin'. ;)

Just read, hon. Don't let the title throw you.

  • 7 votes
#2.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:50 PM EST
Spikegary

LOL Belle!

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#2.2 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 5:39 PM EST
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belle42

doh -- I was trying to come up with a punch line for the title :P

  • 5 votes
Reply#3 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:00 PM EST
Ian F WalterRestored

belle...always in a rush to get raunchy. My favorite kind of girl.

  • 5 votes
#3.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:04 PM EST
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DrBrooks

Great read! Well written, funny, and heartwarming. I am sorry I missed on the first round. I checked your profile to read past stories. I take it you had a different account prior?

More, please!

  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:36 PM EST
Ian F WalterRestored

I take it you had a different account prior?

I did. Same name, minus the f in the middle. And I...gasp...deleted the whole column when I left. I should have cached everything, of course, but didn't. Still had a few in hard copy and a few on my laptop. This is one of those.

More, please!

Thank you very much. I assure you, Pancake's hat is the gift that never stops giving.

  • 4 votes
#4.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:06 PM EST
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Dennis P McCann

So there I was--trapped between the warring fan bases of The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly and The Rocky Horror Picture Show.

And here you are again, in a situation in no way dissimilar. Welcome back my friend, to the show that never ends.

  • 5 votes
Reply#5 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:52 PM EST
Ian F WalterRestored

Good to be back, thank you.

And here you are again, in a situation in no way dissimilar

Different fan bases this time...Zombieland vs. Pee Wee's Big Adventure.

  • 5 votes
#5.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:14 PM EST
belle42

I prefer the sequel -- XXX: Pee Wee's Big Adventure in the Porn Theater

  • 3 votes
#5.2 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:03 PM EST
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northern girl

Excellent story! Thank you!

  • 5 votes
Reply#6 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:26 PM EST
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Dennis P McCann

Watch this guy, ng. I'm sort of lobbying him to write more, because the only thing sharper than his mind is his pen.

  • 5 votes
#6.2 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:02 PM EST
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lauhal

Damn you. I saw this at work and decided that I'd have to wait until I got home to read it! Well, I must say it was worth the wait. You got me laughing. :P

  • 6 votes
Reply#7 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 1:02 AM EST
Ian F WalterRestored

Oh, lauhal. Long time, no see. Such a pleaseure to have you here.

  • 5 votes
#7.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:16 AM EST
lauhal

Long pleasure you give me. :)

  • 5 votes
#7.2 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:56 AM EST
Ian F WalterRestored

hug. Very pleased.

  • 4 votes
#7.3 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 10:18 AM EST
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storyartist

Outstanding! Yes, you tell a story really well as a writer. But I think I'm even more impressed by the actual story that it is. How apropos as a metaphor for Newsvine 2012!

Now the next stage of production would be the casting .... best handled behind the scenes, CoH and all.

Welcome back.

  • 5 votes
Reply#8 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 6:15 AM EST
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wowed by the force

LOL. Leave it to a bunch of cowboys to have a wired up transmission, in a truck that had probably been rolled an flipped back over again 4 or 5 times. And whining over the hat instead of the truck.

I would have loved to have been watching the curb jump. Great story!

  • 4 votes
Reply#9 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:10 AM EST
Ian F WalterRestored

in a truck that had probably been rolled an flipped back over again 4 or 5 times.

ahem...I refuse to confirm or deny that accusation. Perhaps when that pesky statute of limitations has expired...

I would have loved to have been watching the curb jump.

It was perfectly absurd, I assure you. And marvelous. Thank you for reading.

  • 5 votes
#9.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:38 AM EST
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Ian F WalterRestored

Double post. Oops.

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Reply#10 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:37 AM EST
wowed by the force

You are quite welcome. As a girl that grew up in Wyoming, I do enjoy a good cowboy story, and especially a poem, lol. I had a "friend" that had a 197-something white tank of a car. We used to go tearing it up in that car. Well, of course, a 18 pack of, yes you guessed it, horse pee (coors) later, we were upside down in a ditch. So, we jump out, and all 4 of us flip it back over, and take off down the road, no harm, no foul. Couldnt even tell because of the other 3 times we did it...

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#10.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:43 AM EST
Ian F WalterRestored

Yikes. Yep. You are one of us. As a kid, I can't tell you how many times we ended up in a strange field with a fence wrapped around the front bumper, laughing our asses off like it was actually funny. That we lived through it is a miracle. ;)

We used to go tearing it up in that car.

But we probably outta leave that to the imagination. This is a kid-friendly show. ;0)

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#10.2 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:55 AM EST
wowed by the force

Thats what was so funny.

That we lived through it is a miracle. ;)

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#10.3 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 1:01 PM EST
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mstanley2265

Utopian, indeed...good story, interesting collection of friends. :) though surprised there were no cross dressers among the group. lol

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Reply#11 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 10:10 AM EST
Ian F WalterRestored

Utopian, indeed

Perhaps, in the big picture. Not in this here life, though. I drag utopia everywhere I go, these days.

though surprised there were no cross dressers among the group. lol

That's another story, for another day. Although, I always suspected Knuckles of having some fancy underpants hidden beneath them chaps....

Thank you for reading. :)

  • 4 votes
#11.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 10:23 AM EST
mstanley2265

I do hope to read more of your stories.... in the future...hint, hint. Sometimes, I'm jealous of the times that I missed such as these, but then being a gurl (as grump says) bull riding would be out and as I am of the other persuasion that too. Though I did manage to have a few good times, not near, as many Interesting ones, as some here on the Vine. A rather placid existance sighhhhh :(

So vicariously, I relive y'll's :)

  • 2 votes
#11.2 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 10:30 AM EST
Dennis P McCann

surprised there were no cross dressers among the group. lol

As far as we know....

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#11.3 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 10:50 AM EST
mstanley2265

sooo, if a manly man was say...discussing women's shoes....then perhaps That would be an indication? or no, maybe he'd be more concerned with How much those Dior's were going to cost. :)

  • 3 votes
#11.4 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 11:07 AM EST
Dennis P McCann

What's a Dior?

The only thing I know about women's shoes is that my wife has too damn many of them. She's shooting to be the Imelda Marcos of Turkey.

Me, I have two pair. One for when I'm forced to wear a suit, and the other ones I wear so my feet don't get wet.

  • 4 votes
#11.5 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 11:13 AM EST
mstanley2265

The shoes that go with the Christian Dior clothing line. :) Though I like Gucci designs better.

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#11.6 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 11:23 AM EST
Dennis P McCann

I think I'm going to need a translator for this...

  • 5 votes
#11.7 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 1:47 PM EST
mstanley2265

ask magz, he knows all about it...heh heh

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#11.8 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 2:06 PM EST
Ian F WalterRestored

Me, I have two pair. One for when I'm forced to wear a suit, and the other ones I wear so my feet don't get wet.

I was just sure you'd have at least one decent pair of Troll-Trax? Well, at least now I know exactly what to get for the guy who already has everything. ;0)

I have two pair of dilapidated Noconas, two pair of dilapidated Tony Llamas, one pair of Justin weenie boots, one pair of gorgeous but shredded Boulets, one pair of snow boots, one pair of work boots, one pair of dress shoes (yuck), 2 pairs of tennie-runners, 2 pairs of hiking shoes, 1 pair of marvelous hippie sandals, and one pair of normal person brownish comfy shoes. And my LL Bean slippers.

16 total? Minus the slippers, 15, I suppose. I should whittle that down. It's bit unwieldy. Perhaps even a teensy bit un-rugged.

She's shooting to be the Imelda Marcos of Turkey.

Well, aim high I say. My wife appears to be marginally satisfied with shooting to be the Imelda Marcos of the American Southwest.

Gucci

That there's some sorta...what? A tickle reference, maybe? As in Gucci-Gucci-Goo-Goo?

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#11.9 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 2:30 PM EST
Dennis P McCann

Sounds like a whole lot of shoes there, Ian.

Gucci

That there's some sorta...what?

I think it's Italian for Wuss.

  • 4 votes
#11.10 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 4:39 PM EST
Ian F WalterRestored

Sounds like a whole lot of shoes there, Ian.

Yeah...but lots of them are manly.

I think it's Italian for Wuss.

Please don't mind if I incorporate that into my lexicon forever. Thank you.

  • 4 votes
#11.11 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 6:25 PM EST
Dennis P McCann

Go for it.

  • 3 votes
#11.12 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 6:35 PM EST
DisplayName0

Great story and good read for the start of my Dad (other than coffee).

Curious that no one other that Harlot fessed up to having tasselled boots. Every one in my family dislikes tasselled footwear for themselves but we allow it for others. Boots that Porter Wagoner wore are a different story. They are wrong.

  • 3 votes
#11.13 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 7:35 AM EST
Ian F WalterRestored

no one other that Harlot fessed up to having tasselled boots.

This was back in the dark ages of the 1980's. Tasselled boots were...a bit frowned upon by most of the rough stock community, but not all. Harlot had the daintiest boots of anyone I knew. I can say with absolute certainty that no tassel has ever adorned a boot of mine.

Boots that Porter Wagoner wore are a different story. They are wrong.

...in so many ways. ;)

Thanks for reading.

  • 4 votes
#11.14 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 8:30 AM EST
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CL1

Lol, great story! I learned a lot about cowboys that I never knew! I thought all of the country songs depicted them as they are in real life, you know :

Eventually, we decided the best thing to do was to stand there and get indignant and start insulting each other. We insulted Harlot’s mechanical skills, his truck, his romantic escapades, his tassled boots and his mother. Then we moved on to insulting Pancake’s hat, as if it hadn’t suffered enough for one evening. When the insults finally ran out of steam, we were surprised to discover that our many insults hadn’t resolved our broken-ass-truck-in-the-middle-of-the-road-problem. Fancy that.

:) ..just kidding, of course. Thanks for the story.

  • 3 votes
Reply#12 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 1:03 PM EST
Ian F WalterRestored

I thought all of the country songs depicted them as they are in real life,

Just this one here. At exactly 1 minute and 50 seconds in, it tells you everything you ever need to know.

Thanks, CL1. ;)

  • 4 votes
#12.1 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 1:17 PM EST
CL1

LOL, yep, you left out Mom getting out of prison, getting run over by a train.... in the rain, not to mention there was supposed to be a trailer in there somewhere. :P

  • 3 votes
#12.2 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 1:32 PM EST
Dennis P McCann

I prefer Steve's version. Funny that that song was written by a guy from Chicago. Here he is making fun of the whole thing.

  • 4 votes
#12.3 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 4:15 PM EST
Ian F WalterRestored

Hee-larious. Love his faux slide guitar and violin. Funny, funny.

Here he is making fun of the whole thing.

As if one could even try to be serious about such matters.

  • 3 votes
#12.4 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 4:21 PM EST
Dennis P McCann

Really. A folk singer (and Cubs fan!) from the north side of Chicago sets out to write the perfect country song. Thinking he's got it, he sends it to the expert - David Allen Coe. Coe says you need this stuff (writes a list) and sends it back. The folk singer adds all that stuff, sends it back to Coe - who has a huge hit with a fake country song written by a folk singer from Chicago.

You can't make that @!$%# up.

  • 5 votes
#12.5 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 4:28 PM EST
Ian F WalterRestored

You can't make that @!$%# up.

Just gotta love it. Way back when, I know a lot of rock, folk, country guys jammed together. I'm a huge Kristofferson fan. Truth is, I couldn't tell you the name of even three country stars today. Seriously. I just don't listen to today's crap. But..Willie and Kris...that era? Yeah. I love that stuff still.

a fake country song

Hey now, Mister. You're talking about the sh**kicker national anthem there. It aint fake...it's...it's...sorta...well...not entirely original maybe. Nevertheless, it's hard to argue that it doesn't perfectly incorporate the beer-swilling angst of the genre.

...Since we're on the topic, though, here's my all-time personal favorite country/folk song.

  • 4 votes
#12.6 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 5:17 PM EST
Dennis P McCann

Willie and Kris...that era? Yeah. I love that stuff still.

That's the only Country I like. Used to be balled Outlaw Country. The guys in Texas, not the guys in Nashville. Willie, Waylon, Merle Haggard, Coe, Kristofferson...

You're talking about the sh**kicker national anthem there. It aint fake...it's...it's...sorta...well...not entirely original maybe. Nevertheless, it's hard to argue that it doesn't perfectly incorporate the beer-swilling angst of the genre.

Just keep in mind that it was written by a guy from the north side of Chicago, with help from a mailman from Evanston (just north of Chicago). But, hey, Steve did have the sense to send it to Coe.

  • 4 votes
#12.7 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 6:22 PM EST
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Infohack

A man after my own heart. I have always avoided being bound by any clique, preferring free agent status among a variety of groups. All it really requires is a bit of skill in diplomacy.

I was never able to be the catalyst for bringing such disparate groups together that you were, though. Sounds like it takes not only skill, but also quite a bit of luck.

Very enjoyable read, glad to see you back. Now I have two Dennis McCanns and two Ian Walters on my watchlist ;)

It would be nice to see two Winsomes as well.

  • 4 votes
Reply#13 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 2:27 PM EST
CL1

Infohack, you are 'one' of my favorite "free agents." Personally, I prefer "secret agent" status. :)

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#13.1 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 2:36 PM EST
Ian F WalterRestored

Thanks, infohack. Keep that free agent status going strong, my friend.

It would be nice to see two Winsomes as well.

Two? Asking too much. Of physics, I mean. The planet would implode. But I'd sure settle for one. ;)

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#13.2 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 2:47 PM EST
Infohack

Two? Asking too much....I'd sure settle for one. ;)

Too true. My watchlist is littered with dead links of 'Viners long gone. I don't know why I keep them other than to be reminded that once there was a cross between Hunter S. Thompson and John Wayne Gacy who wrote some great satire here.

CL1

For a long time I spent most of my time lurking but read all the great satire written by guys who had mostly been there since the days of beta. It was a bit intimidating, anyone can write a political screed, but satire is an art form.

I didn't jump in on the conversations all that often back then, either.

  • 4 votes
#13.3 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 3:17 PM EST
CL1

but satire is an art form.

So true. The problem I see with 'some' satire, depending on the topic, is if I'm already versed in the subject or not. Sometimes we need to know the truth, before we can know/see the humor/sarcasm in it. ..i.e., There was a historical satire piece written, but because I didn't know the history of those events, I wasn't able to see the satire.

  • 5 votes
#13.4 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 3:55 PM EST
Dennis P McCann

once there was a cross between Hunter S. Thompson and John Wayne Gacy who wrote some great satire here.

On stilts.

  • 7 votes
#13.5 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 4:16 PM EST
CL1

I did get to read a few pieces from winsome before he was [banned?] gone, enough so that it was easy to see that he had a unique style of communicating and sense-of-humor. (I recall the stilts in an avatar...but didn't know if that was him.)

  • 5 votes
#13.6 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 5:27 PM EST
Infohack

He is an actual street performer/clown/stilt technician (hence the Gacy reference, he isn't a serial killer, as far as I know. At least not yet).

Some of his writing can be found here. One of my favorite lines, from his essay My First American Experience.

I handled about two hours of American TV before discarding it. Hard, it's quite hypnotic. I found it's cartoon pace seductive and insulting, the adverts clumsy hallucinations.

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#13.7 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 5:45 PM EST
Dennis P McCann

(I recall the stilts in an avatar...but didn't know if that was him.)

No, his avatar was a little baby giving everyone the finger. After the prank, the baby had a black eye.

He is an actual street performer/clown/stilt technician.

Yep. He's performed all over the world. He's more along the lines of Cirque du Soliel than Bozo.

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#13.8 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 6:25 PM EST
Dennis P McCann

Oh...and he wrote a book.

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#13.9 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 6:29 PM EST
CL1

Thanks for the link, infohack. That's really 'cool' that he is an actual street performer, as well.

Dennis, I recall the baby giving the finger, too. Yet, it seems like it was his (winsome's) moniker that I saw on an article by him, with the avatar showing a (Cirque du soliel style) clown on stilts.

Thanks for the link on the book, too.

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#13.10 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 7:10 PM EST
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Ian F WalterRestored

Thanks, infohack. Keep that free agent status going strong, my friend.

It would be nice to see two Winsomes as well.

Two? Asking too much. Of physics, I mean. The planet would implode. But I'd sure settle for one. ;)

    Reply#14 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 2:46 PM EST
    TR-421173

    :)

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    Reply#15 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:01 AM EST
    Ian F Walter

    In case anybody is wondering what happened to my comments here...

    My column was sorta nuked sometime around Thursday by Newsvine. Sally said it appeared to be a mistake and she promptly restored the column and both of my articles are back up now after a short delay. However, My comments on this particular article and the rest of Newsvine are still completely deleted. Tyler indicated on friday that the comments will also be fixed. I sent him a message back indicating that if restoring every comment elsewhere was real labor intensive, I'd settle for staff tagging those articles with a short note indicating I didn't violate COH or offend the moderators and that it was more of a clearical error.

    So...if you see my comments deleted here or elsewhere on Newsvine...they're working on it. I didn't kill my column and Newsvine didn't intend to do so either. I think somebody accidentally sat on a red button somewhere and shot a small nuclear device directly up my column's keester.

    It still hurts, but it was nothing personal. And they are trying to fix it . :0)

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    Reply#16 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:21 PM EST
    CL1

    Thanks for that explanation, though it sure makes me wonder how something like this would happen. I wondered why I saw your comments deleted on BN's article.

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    #16.1 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:53 PM EST
    Dennis P McCann

    On another note...it took me two weeks, but I finally figured it out.

    What Bull Riders and Bull Dykes Have In Common

    Bull. Right?

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    #16.2 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:32 PM EST
    Ian F Walter

    As far as what happened...I know it was a mistake, Sally apologized, and they set about fixing it. No worries.

    The upside is...I only had two articles up and maybe two hundered comments scattered around Newsvine on 50 or so articles. So...a few months down the road it would've been substantially more frustrating. For now, my deleted comments look sorta bad, but I can live with that for a few days.

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    #16.3 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:59 PM EST
    Ian F Walter

    Bull. Right?

    Heh. Yes. Sorta.

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    #16.4 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:03 PM EST
    Infohack

    In case anybody is wondering what happened to my comments here...

    My column was sorta nuked

    I noticed that yesterday. I noticed all your comments were deleted on another article, so I checked your column to see what happened, and it had the "This author hasn't written any articles or seeds yet" message. I even checked my comment history and the comment I'd left here was no longer hyperlinked.

    I was worried that maybe you'd gotten fed up already, especially with all the meta B.S. lately, and left the 'Vine again.

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    #16.5 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:18 PM EST
    Ian F Walter

    I was worried that maybe you'd gotten fed up already, especially with all the meta B.S. lately, and left the 'Vine again.

    What meta? Just kidding...don't answer that. I'm retired.

    My departure this time was unintentional and a complete surprise. Got up thursday and saw my account was closed. It'll work out, I'm sure.

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    #16.6 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:45 PM EST
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    lets think

    +1

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    Reply#17 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:55 AM EST
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